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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 8, 2008 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: These guys suck

Sorry, but both presidential candidates are weak. I watched the debate last night and felt like I had just spent $10 watching a terrible movie in the theatre... can I have my money back?

The money I am talking about is the 50% lost in the stock market of course due similarly weak politicians.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

NC, I generally do not mind your right of Attila the Hun comments but here, you are way out of your league, pal. Carter, obviously, had little to do with the current situation neither did the title insurance companies and their lawyers. Title companies simply "closed" these mortgage transactions but were not involved at all in the underwriting or qualifying of the borrowers.

In a simplified way, this is the way I see this: securitization of mortgage debt in the US created paper (derivatives) that was extensively used by not only US but European and Asian banks. When the real estate market collapsed, it dragged down with it the value of these papers. On their balance sheets, when the banks began to lose their assets ie this debt-backed paper, it wiped out their equity which was only a small percentage of their assets to begin with. As such most banks in the world, with a few exceptions, are now insolvent (debt exceeds assets). Please note the British bailout this morning and the semi-privatization of their banks. (the British gov't took equity positions in the banks in exchange for re-capitalizing them.)

What caused all this? Clearly lack of regulation. Some countries such as Canada have extensive regulation as to where the banks can invest their money. This may sound socialist to you NC, but regulation is necessary to ensure that your financial system does not leave itself exposed to market fluctuations.

The Republicans and re-distribution of wealth? That's a fucking laugh. Sure, tax cuts for the rich to run up annual deficits redistribute wealth from your children to the beneficiaries of the tax cuts. When are Americans going to vote in their own best interest and not listen to staged propaganda and empty dogmatic rhetoric? Anyone earning under 100k has no business voting Republican as you are burdening your children with tax cuts to the wealthy. Stop dreaming the impossible dream and believe in some trickle down bullshit.

NC, you keep writing your nonsense. It is wildly entertaining.


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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck


"The Republicans and re-distribution of wealth? That is fucking laugh."

Wait just a fucking minute. Are you telling me that the "Earned Income Tax Credit" is not a means to re-distribute wealth? So, if you didn't earn enough money to pay income tax and the government send you a couple grand in the mail, that's not redistribution of wealth? If it's not coming from a more wealthy citizen who is paying taxes, where is it coming from?

Further, a family of four making less than 36K a year in this country is entitled to children's health care. I suppose nobody's tax dollars are being used to "re-distribute" this value-less medical care?

Finally, what is the threshold for paying income tax in this country? I haven't looked at the tax codes lately, but I can assure you that once you take your deductions and exemptions under the code that the "working poor" PAY NO TAXES.

If that's not the re-distribution of wealth and if it hasn't happened for the last eight years under W. - well I owe you one.

Tell all them commie bastards that Mr. Earl looked it up.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Fucking A right on man. I knew there was something I liked about you after all.

As for redistribution, go ahead and take it. The hard working people you take it from will make it back again and we can do it all over again.

When you buy someone off and make sitting home for a welfare check so easy, what do you think they will do? Aside from voting for democrats, they will sit there and collect a check. Here's a novel idea, send the illegal immigrants home and put the welfare recipients to work in their place.

And when the doom and gloom unemployment figures come out, how many people do you think that collect unemployment are working under the table... hmmmm.

I know this is racist and righter than ghengis khan talk but it makes sense, imagine that!

Lastly, I heard a 19 year old in an interview say the reason she is voting for obama was that she heard his wife speak a year ago and liked what she said. Really, it was on TV. That is what we are dealing with.

I know someone who is voting for obama because he thinks he will lower taxes. First of all he works under the table so what the fuck is he talking about? He can't claim his kid because someone else is the primary caretaker and he has been trying to get a phony disability claim so he can pop percocets and get paid while he mows lawns.

These are the things, aside from the obvious connections to socialists, domestic terrorists, slumlords, racist conspiracists and others that everyone ignores and just jumps on the bandwagon because sean penn hugs chavez in my videos.

Please, think about what you are doing to our children, that's all.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

"Mr Earl looked it up" - good enough for me, sayz this Earl

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Also, why would anyone want to make less than 100k? So they can be a democrat?

Not all republicans or conservatives are rich evangelicals (you know the ones that started that silly abolition thing).

I don't beleive in any giant guy in the sky with a beard, I don't have a sprawling ranch that I hunt on. I do like my gun and would like to see our enemies annhilated. I do know when I only made a little over $50k a year my taxes were 36% until bush came along and I was far from rich. Why should I pay a higher percentage of my money for services I use less than someone who pays less and uses more?

Tell me how that is fair and I'll vote for obama.

I have twenty ballots from acorn right now.

Socialism doesn't work. It never has and raising taxes is patriotic? Does anyone remember the boston tea party? They used to teach it in public schools and universities.

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Get the super-rich to pay their taxes and then you won't have to pay as much.
And BTW who are your "enemies"? Those who your government/media tell you? Just in my lifetime it's been: USSR and Eastern Europe, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos (who they?), USSR again in Afghanistan (good idea that one,eh,Ronnie?), Grenada (Commonwealth, so technically you'd invaded your ally Britain), El Salvador (good ol' Major Bob et al), Nicaragua, Iran, Colonel Gadaafi and Libya, Columbia, Panama (bet you'd forgot "the pineapple"), Peru, Chavez and Venezuela, Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea and Palestine. Yes, Palestine. You told them to have democratic elections and they did. Just that they didn't vote for the side you wanted. So you and the Isrealis starved the poor bastards.
It's no wonder you're paying too much fucking tax, you've too many fucking wars to fight!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

America's best political newspaper... that's why I never heard of it.

I have to go rip down all the mccain signs all over south florida since no one is voting for him now.

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 8, 2008 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Your cause for the current crisis, and names to not re-elect to boot...

http://www.counterpunch.org/kaufman09192008.html

Is anyone else as pissed as me about this shit?!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I'll tell you who I'm NOT voting for, 1- Obamayomama
2- ANY Senator/Representative (other than McCain-the lesser of evils)
who voted yea for the present bogus "bailout"
which btw, is the Demoncrap "September" surpise.
To who's advantage did the "crisis" work for? Hmmmmm?
And right before the election, what a coincidence!!

Government entitlement drones should not be allowed to vote, only the working class - The true contibutors to our society. Nor dead people, felons & Illegals.
Here's a shout out to Oyama's ACORN buttbuddies...viva la fuck you!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I honestly wish a valid third party candidate would come along or Ron Paul's voice didn't sound more like Frank Purdue than Ross Perot looked like Frank Perdue.

Mccain was the closest thing to someone who could work with both sides but maybe he is too old. I already asked this, but is it too late to put Romney or Guliani in? They know how to debate.

I bet hillary is thrilled she won't get to run again now. I actually would vote for her before obama. At least she isn't going to cut our balls off in an attempt to appease the rest of the new world order. She must be thrilled of the fact that her base turned on her like that.

Oh by the way, this is not rhetoric, this is raw frustration, anger and disapointment in a system I thought worked fairly well. With the dems in the house and senate and obama on cruise control, we are all fucked.

Mark my words- things will get drastically worse for middle class working people who don't hate this country. I have never cared so much about stupid politics so something must be wrong.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Garbage....According to Wikipedia, now there's a good source. Hahahahahaha...Yeah, I'm pissed about THAT shit.

McCain the wife beater. Nice hate blog.
Been tortured by the VC lately? Fonda & Kerry did collaborate with the enemy, not McCain (who made those claims, the N.Vietnamese?), of any free will. I'm proud of his service to my country-moron.
Fuck Kaufman-a lying piece of shit

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I like the rich, (but I'm soooo jealous!)You wish you were rich, you betcha! HA-HA!
and I'll never be a tool of the AGE OLD-samo-samo commie/class revolution crap. The rich own the business's that hire. And they pay most of the taxes.

There's "Revolution", then enslavement. Unless you become a rich communist, then be smokin a Havana with hero's like Castro & Chavez - the left's buttbuddies.


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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Wrong Rastamon. The rich DON'T pay most of the taxes. They pay accountants to avoid taxes.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

WRONG

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Top 1% $388,806
Bottom 50% $31,987

And it's consistent up and down the scale.

Are you voting? Please don't.

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

No, RIGHT. The top 1% get $308,806 in a fucking hour. How much do they avoid? Get real. Merrill-Lynch (who they?!) avoids more tax per year than is given to an entire housing project on welfare.
BTW, did you get a boner for Sarah Palin because she's middle-class totty (ie you'd like to fuck her but can't) or that she packs heat?

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 9, 2008 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Please stop confusing rougheyed85 with the facts.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: srtg83 ! Looky here

I clearly stated the causes as I know them to be true.

I am right of atilla the hun? That's funny, I am an atheist pothead, please. See below:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=212667

It's about the Community Reinvestment Act Carter signed along with the Depository Institutions Deregulation and
Monetary Control Act which removed regulation by the fed along with the Glass Steagall Act.

Please read the link.

I know title companies that were paying cash in plain white envelopes outside of the transaction for sending them business, they just padded their abstract search fees and other junk fees to make it up. I also know title companies that gave brokers lavish vacations and rented hotel rooms, hookers, etc. for sending them business.

You are right that they do not qualify people for loans, originators do that, based on the guidelines set forth by fannie mae/freddie mac/FHA and non conventional loan guidelines (subprime). So if the speed limit is 100 and people die in a crash, were they speeding? The do however skip over yield spread premium disclosure if you ask them, lie to borrowers about fully indexed rates if you cut the closer a fat rail of nose candy and backdate closings, dry close without funding authorization, release funds prior to dispersal and many many more things. I have seen it all.

It's the truth. Also unscrupulous brokers, bankers and lenders, appraisers and underwriters, borrowers, buyers and sellers. The greed was universal. The laws that created subprime disaster were not. Stated income deals were called liar loans. Going of gross debt to income ratio's prior to tax and insurance decuctions and not considering living expenses like insurance and gas all add up to deception.

I also posted this before:

"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market."

"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole."

From the old dude that moves his arms funny.

Although I appreciate your opinion that I am out of my league here, I think I know the mortgage business as well as anyone, including yourself.

And without being pedantic I yield my remaining time to the forumite from left field.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 8, 2008 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I watched the Chris rock special on HBO last night and he had a great line." George Bush f-ed this thing up so bad that a Black man actually has a shot to become president."

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

For once I can say I actually do blame bush... just the name "bush" that is... otherwise there is no logical reason, black or white, that this many people are willing to turn us into france. How that bumbling do gooder got elected twice but mccain who is far more qualified is losing in the polls to a marxist is beyond my comprehension.

The timing of the market crash came on w's watch so naturally the reactionist masses blame the gop, regardless of what carter, clinton, and the lowest rated congress in history had to do with it.

Or the fact that the lending process was flawed from the beginning. Going off gross income instead of net, not counting utilities, gas and car insurance in a DTI. Companies like countrywide who put 700 credit score borrowers in 2 year adjustable subprime loans for higher profit. Title companies that are run by attornies that sat and watched deal after deal after bullshit deal close in their office. Meanwhile, I put everyone in 30 or 40 year fixed rates and have no repeat business because I was ethical... go figure.

Both candidates are willing to redistribute the wealth of this country, one way or another.

Welcome to the new world order. Time to report your guns stolen and buy gold coins, spam and bullets.

Au revoir

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Both candidates are willing to redistribute the wealth of this country, one way or another.
Welcome to the new world order. Time to report your guns stolen and buy gold coins, spam and bullets. Au revoir

no shit! I think on the last "debate" both should be wearing lie detectors attached to shock collars- would'nt that be fun?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Chuck Norris for Prez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_DfpU1Cp6E

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

All mcold had to say, my friends, is:

"Raising taxes on corporations, investors and homeowners now will destroy the economy"

and

"You will be a great candidate, some day, when you have half as much experience as I do"

and

"How much money did you make from fannie mae?"

But for some reason, my friends, john's handlers are incompetent.

Is it too late to put romney or guliani in?

Well, my friends, I imagine they are going to delete my account soon, so good luck fighting "the man" on your own!

And what the fuck is a tiller?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 8, 2008 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

A tiller is attached to a rudder and is used to steer a sailing vessel. Tillers are almost exclusively made of wood - even on todays high end racing boats just about the only piece of wood you will find is the tiller.

Some time (a long time) ago larger vessels incorporated the 'wheel'. However, on a sailing vessel even one's with a wheel it is common to hear "helm's-a-lee"; putting the tiller (helm) to leeward means you are tacking . . .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2008 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr Charlie!

What's a "we're a rifle shot, America!"?

Does he mean we don't have to use a shotgun? is that the point?

Caught me off guard...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Ahhh, thanks!

From a navy dude I get it now.

I was picturing something the old folks used to mash corn into tortillas with before illegal immigration and automation.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

yep, no one knew how to properly make a tortilla here in Monterey where I'm sitting until "illegal immigration".

As my assistant likes to say: "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us."

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 8, 2008 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Not navy

just a son of a son of a sailor

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 9, 2008 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Check it out, they heard you!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5joHtxv3BnoM919g4otwIkVi9msLQD93MIGGO0

No shock collars but it should be interesting. I would vote for it 72 times, if I was deceased or a feline mammal quarterback in the NFL.

Best quote of the day:

Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center.

"I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here."

Nothing like not showing ID at the polls, funny... they asked for my driver's license number when registering and voting... damn red state mafia in action.

Disclaimer: This is just baseless rhetoric, if real voter fraud was occuring it would be on CNN and it would involve diebold and dick cheney.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 9, 2008 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

cool! grate idea!! http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5joHtxv3BnoM919g4otwIkVi9msLQD93MIGGO0

Ron Paul is sounding better and better as a throw away write-in vote. But since Perot, I'm more realistic. McCain it is! Screw Osama! I mean Obama

Attachment: Barack_Marx-Obama.jpg

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 9, 2008 9:25am
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I registered to vote last sunday at the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival - since I'd moved to Pittsburg.
At least 3 of the folks registering people mentioned me voting for Obama, so I lied and said of course. Otherwise I'm quite sure my registration would have gotten "lost". Of course I checked "Other" in what I was registering as.
There will be LOTS of Obama fraud in november!



This post was modified by rastamon on 2008-10-09 16:25:28

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 9, 2008 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

The bummer is, at least here anyway, you cannot vote in a primary if you are not registered to that party. So if you are registered as independent, which I was, and wanted guliani, which I did, I would have to pick a party.

So all the independents and sensible democrats had no say in picking mccain, who I fear- unless he drops the acorn/ayers/wright/flager/raines/johnson/dodd-bomb in the last debate- will have failed his party, independents and the rest of the world by allowing us to tumble so far left.

Imagine a world with obmama and pelosi making foreign policy. Imagine barney frank still being allowed on any commitee having anything to do with economics. I still think that speach impediment is fake, I thought he was making fun of retarded people the first time I heard him speak, how the fuck does someone like that get elected?

The old dude needs to drop that friggin bomb in person and announce his appointing of guliani as attorney general, romney as sec of treasury and sean penn as ambassador to venezuela to deliver the knock out punch. If not, we sure as hell better show up for every fucking congressional and senate vote possible and put the left in check or the folks on the middle and the right will be FUBAR.

Rascist quote of the day:

"Let's say Barack Obama wins, and 30 years down the line, you're a black Republican or black conservative, and your grandkid comes to you and says, 'Did you vote for Obama?' It's going to be hard to argue why you didn't," Fauntroy said.

Yes, and why you voted for centaur byrd and guvner wallace and all the firggin democratic inbred klansman that fought abolition and civil rights for a hundred years... unreal.

I am done, it will get ugly again if I don't stop now.




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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 9, 2008 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I had same problem here voting in primary (Ca) because I am a registered independent. I've already submitted my ballot (absentee mail in is really the way to go) and I voted for different candidates for different offices among 4 different parties for fed, statewide, countywide, and local city council.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 9, 2008 9:26am
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Too bad he's not running, huh?

Same as it ever was….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2af69xt0VKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iPipydRDAU

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Poster: byronious Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

the stock market crashed because of the housing market crisis which was caused by deregulated sub-prime mortgage lenders which was caused by george w. bush. ya'll remember just two years ago W. on tv bragging about all the homes being sold. he was taking credit for it then. well now the truth comes out and you want to act like he had nothing to do with it. please.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Please post references to show bush deregulated subprime, I have to see this one!

Is it on the daily koz or at moovealong.org?

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Poster: byronious Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

what the fuck are you talking about. is this even debatable? the SEC, which is part of the administration, made a deal that allowed investment brokers to increase their debt in proportion to their capital then did not police them. if your trying to tell me jimmy carter or somebody is responsible for the stockmarket crashing in 2008 you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. that doesnt even make sense in any kind of way.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Yes it's debatable apparently or I wouldn't be posting all these fucking links! Let's all calm down and look at the facts... we can play frank/oreilly another day (and sorry, but I won't be frank)

If you read the post and most of the other posts I made about the mortgage industry and the market collapsing, you would see what I said.

Here's one...

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=212667

I have been a loan processor, broker, loan officer, realtor, spackle monkey, painter, carpenter (stop me) so I know what I am talking about when it comes to the mortgage meltdown and housing market which caused this mess to begin with.

If you are one of the people that think bush is dr evil with his finger on the button micromanaging everything, nothing I repeat will matter anyway.

It started with carter but BOTH PARTIES are guilty of allowing this to happen, ok? Can we agree there? I will ignore how much money raines made and barney frank's wife and chris dodd and obama and concede that it took two to tango.

It was also greedy people using houses as ATM machines because it was easy money and the mortgage industry that allowed it. I only had two loans that I know of that did go into foreclosure and I was closing at least one a week for many years. I was not greedy and shady enough apparently, regardless of my 20 years in the garden state scam training program.

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Poster: byronious Date: Oct 8, 2008 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I apologize for my previous rudeness. anyway. I don't think bush is dr. evil. He's probably a nice guy. I think he's dumb as a box of rocks and has been misguided. but luckily the party is almost over. What republicans don't realize is that things are going to be much better for them too. there's an old saying "when everybody does better, everybody does better." trickle down economics does not work. There's not one time in history when it has ever worked. ever.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

Yeah he does seem nice and I agree he says some stupid shit, the debates with gore were some of the funniest things I have seen for sure.

I am pretty sure that reagan democrats knew what was good for them and that trickle down economics did work but to each their own. If you want to think jimmy carter ran a good show, well there you go again.

Either way, I have no beef with anyone who will respond at least to a rebuttle of a rebuttle and not start with personal insults and ignore everything I said, so we are cool.

I joke around ( a lot ) and some of the veterans here get my humor but some folks hate me, oh well. The music still goes on.

What a long annoying strichnine stomache cramp this has been.

They are all crooks and liars, I just like low taxes, formidable military standing and less government in my personal life, hopefully I won't lose any money or freedoms whomever wins and I have to admit it ain't looking good for the old white dude, and that seems to be the trend all around.

Goodnight gracie.

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 12:25pm
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Noise Maker,your post has proved 2 things:you know fuck all about France and fuck all about Marxism. In fact you probably know fuck all about fuck all.
First read srtg 83's post. Then learn something from it.
(Sorry srtg83, can't agree with you that he's "entertaining" - he's just a wanker.)
Have you ever been to France? No. Do you know any French people? No. Do you know how the French sort out political disputes? No. Have you heard the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" on the Simpsons? Yes - consider yourself now to be an expert on France (ignoring the fact that the Simpsons is an ultra piss-take on the USA.)
How much Marx have you read? None...which is a shame really because it explains why the capitalist system's all fucked up at the moment, and why poor tax-payers are having to give money to rich people who get more in one hour than they earn in one day. (Notice the difference between "get" and "earn". Working people "earn", bankers-read gamblers-"get".)
Don't be frightenened of Marxism or Socialism. Find out about the Wobblies, and be proud of that part of your history. Or perhaps you side with the copper bosses? The "Marxism" that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter terrify you with is the bastardised version created by the Stalinist middle-class bureaucrats in the USSR a long time ago. Read Orwell rather than listen to those fuckwits.
These elections mean a lot to us in Europe. (And to me personally because I lived and worked for a year in Miami.) We Europeans watched that horrible bombing of the twin towers, and agreed to get the perpretrator bin Laden. As he was a Saudi probably in Afghanistan, we're still wondering why our taxes are going to a war in Iraq. (Rhetorical statement, we know why.) So I'm with the Dead behind Obama. As an atheist I can genuinely say God Bless America, because her people need an end to Republican capitalist greed.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 3:26pm
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"Republican capitalist greed" how about Democratic capitalist greed also? anyway, since we know nothing about true Marxism, let's both learn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T-OkqqyfkU

(Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall)

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 8, 2008 4:10pm
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During WW2, the French resistance fighters, in their finest hour, bravely threw sticks of dynamite at the advancing German troops. The Germans then lit them and threw them back.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 5:22pm
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For sale:

French Arny Rifle

Never fired, dropped once.

Best offer.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 5:54pm
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How do you confuse a French Soldier?
Give him a rifle and ask him to shoot it

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 6:14pm
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Why a Blue Devil?
The Story of the Duke Mascot

During World War I the Chasseurs Alpins, nicknamed "les Diables Bleus," were well known French soldiers. They first gained attention when their unique training and alpine knowledge was counted upon to break the stalemate of trench warfare in their native region of the French Alps. Unfortunately the Vosges Campaign in March, 1915, failed to alter the status quo even though the Blue Devils won accolades for their courage. However, their distinctive blue uniform with flowing cape and jaunty beret captured public imagination. When the United States entered the war, units of the French Blue Devils toured the country helping raise money in the war effort. Irving Berlin captured their spirit in song describing them as "strong and active, most attractive . . . those Devils, the Blue Devils of France."

As the war was ending in Europe, the Trinity College* Board of Trustees lifted its quarter-century ban of football on campus. After playing an intramural class schedule for one year, Trinity began intercollegiate competition in 1920. That first year the traditional nomenclature of the Trinity Eleven, the Blue and White or the Methodists (as opposed to the Baptists of nearby Wake Forest) described the team. In September, 1921, the student newspaper, The Trinity Chronicle, launched a campaign for a "catchy name, one of our own possession that would be instantly recognizable nationwide in songs, yells and publicity." At a campus pep rally to stir up enthusiasm it was pointed out that Georgia Tech was gaining recognition as the "Golden Tornados" and that rival North Carolina State College had recently adopted the name "Wolf Pack." There were numerous nominations including Catamounts, Grizzlies, Badgers, Dreadnaughts, and Captains which was in honor of the well-liked Coach W. W. "Cap" Card.

Believing a choice utilizing the school color of dark blue to be appropriate, the newspaper editors urged a selection from among the nominations of Blue Titans, Blue Eagles, Polar Bears, Blue Devils, Royal Blazes, or Blue Warriors. None of the nominations won strong favor but Blue Devils apparently had enough support to elicit the criticism that it would arouse opposition on the Methodist campus "for obvious reasons," and that it might prove risky and jeopardize football if a controversial name were used at that particular time. The football season passed with no official selection of a name.

As the campus leaders from the Class of 1923 made plans for their senior year, they decided to select a name since the desired results by democratic nomination and vote had been inconclusive. The editors of The Archive and The Chanticleer, two of the other student publications, agreed that the newspaper staff should choose a name and "put it over." Thus William H. Lander, as editor-in-chief, and Mike Bradshaw, as managing editor, of The Trinity Chronicle began the academic year 1922-23 referring to the athletic teams as the Blue Devils. Their class had been the first post-war freshmen and the student body was full of returning veterans so the name needed no explanation. Acknowledging that it was somewhat unpopular, they nevertheless believed it to be the best name nominated. Neither the other publications nor the cheerleaders used the name that first year. In fact, The Chanticleer made fun of the selection and process by quoting someone saying "We will use blew devvies even if no one else does." Much to the editor's surprise no opposition materialized, not even from the college administration. The newspaper staff continued its use and through repetition, Blue Devils eventually caught on.

Today the origin of the university mascot is virtually forgotten even though its instant, national recognition has long been established. With the popular Red Devil mascot frequently being challenged throughout the country, the origin of Duke's Blue Devil is one of the most often requested items of information in the University Archives. Questioners are universally surprised to discover its origin is more military and patriotic than religious.

* Trinity College became Duke's undergraduate college for men when the University was established in 1924.

...and I'll save Bull Durham for another history lesson when we try and figure out if France and French thought had any impact on our Founding Fathers and our system of government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_lXwJpZCg

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 1:39pm
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Joe Hill ain't nothin' but the name of a creek outside Absarokee, Montana....

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:01pm
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You know better than that, BD.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:10pm
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Hey, do you know the way to Haymarket Square? If you get lost, you could end up all the way over in Milwaukee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEGGOjAe7I

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:32pm
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Thanks to Alice's history lesson I'll give Milwaukee a miss. I'll get to Chicago one day, just to get to Buddy Guy's. In the mean time it's Halifax tomorrow to watch Stiff Little Fingers. (Yorkshire, not Nova Scotia. Lost my way!)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:46pm
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It's an arlow guthrie song too. I saw him at further fest and some friends and myself thought he was a cardboard cutout on stage. Damn blotter hits.

That was a joke, we are allowed to still make fun of people here.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:56pm
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I used to get the Rolling Blunder Review, which was Arlo's newsletter. His daughter, Sarah Lee, is really "sweet and pretty". She and her husband, Johny Irion, tour/record together and have done a bunch of stuff with my friend that I keep shamelessly plugging - Kevn Kinney (they are on an album Kevn recorded on Warren Haynes' wife's label, Evil Teen, as well as several shows here on the archive.) I could easily see thinking he was a cardboard cutout w/o the blotter. I have a pic of his pappy singing in McSorley's Tavern sitting in my office. Damn red. Hard to abide the same here in Steinbeck county.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 3:06pm
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I was in camden peaking with some friends and family and we thought we were still in the "hallway" and I heard really quiet music coming in and out like an am radio. I looked over and saw what was really arlo sitting on a stool with an acoustic. For some reason I thought it was a cardboard cutout because he was barely moving if at all and we were as far away as you could get from the stage for some reason. I remember zoning out on the pattern of the brick wall and next thing you know we are going "what the fuck is that, a cardboard cutout?" We thought the show started an hour later but we were wrong. I got into an argument with a friend because he insisted it was a person but the rest of us were in the moment and were sold on the cardboard cutout theory. Some kind concert goer tapped me on the shoulder said, "hey bud, it's not a cardboard cutout, it's arlo guthrie... do you guys have any more of what you are on" I think we gave him some because we surely needed no more.

Before that I was playing a keyboard in the parking lot with an acoustic guitar player and a bongo dude and hadn't dosed on cid in a few years. I don't think I had a ticket and I had already eaten a bunch of mushrooms so how we wound up inside is still is still a mystery to this day.

Usually I forget blackout driking episodes but it may have been the nitrous hippy crack balloons afterwards that volcan mindmelded the memories away.

Hey wait a minute we are not arguing....

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 3:30pm
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don't worry - we'll heat back up at some point.

Now let me go build my new adobe out of government cheese - it's my piece of the bailout.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 8, 2008 4:10pm
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this happens when cush drops by...kinda like the pope going by - a cushin of peace :)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 3:56pm
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Gument cheez, velveta with a socialist kick of goodness in a plain brown box. Damn that sounds good right now.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 8, 2008 2:06pm
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Noise Maker,your post has proved 2 things:you know fuck all about France and fuck all about Marxism. In fact you probably know fuck all about fuck all.

What is this strange vernacular? I know fuck all? Yes fuck em' all I know. You are an expert on France? Tell me they are not socialist. I also know they helped us defeat the imperial taxers in the silly bright red uniforms.

First read srtg 83's post. Then learn something from it.
(Sorry srtg83, can't agree with you that he's "entertaining" - he's just a wanker.)

I did, and he is wrong. I proved it. Read my post. You have poor taste and using the work wanker leads me to believe you are a bright red uniform wearing bloody git. Did I say that correctly old chum? I could care less if you like the music or not, I do it for me. ( at this point no other artist in their left mind wants to be associated with me anymore, imagine that!)

Have you ever been to France? No. Do you know any French people? No.

How do you know this? I do know french people, the french pimp appears on some of my songs. How do you know I did not go to paris before? I can't wait to hear this.

Do you know how the French sort out political disputes? No.

Well their natinoal assembly and senate might have a hand in it. And that sarkozy guy, he seems cool.

Your point?

Have you heard the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" on the Simpsons? Yes - consider yourself now to be an expert on France (ignoring the fact that the Simpsons is an ultra piss-take on the USA.)

I do know we bail their ass out every 40 years, next time we should let them deal with their own problems. The simpsons are so 90's family guy is where it's at, everyone knows that. Lisa Simpson is a tree hugging traitor.

Do you know me? Accusing me of not knowing things without proof proves your position cannot be taken seriously. I never claimed to be an expert on France nor did I attack anyone's knowlege of any field, I claimed to be an expert on mortgages, which I am, and you ignored that fact to use simpson quotes in an attempt to either make me look stupid or get a few chuckles from the nimwits that also think marxism is cool.

How much Marx have you read? None...which is a shame really because it explains why the capitalist system's all fucked up at the moment, and why poor tax-payers are having to give money to rich people who get more in one hour than they earn in one day. (Notice the difference between "get" and "earn". Working people "earn", bankers-read gamblers-"get".)

What books have I not read? How much orwell, sagan and asimov have I also not read? I do know the the cresent symbol is based on an ancient moon good and why the islamic calendar is lunar from the last book by asimov I just reread. I also am familiar with carl sagan, another pot smoking atheist hero of mine. He writes gooder too.

The communist manifesto is a great read.. so is the bible if you get past the measurments of the temple and 1000 year old people begatting other people and so on. I was practically a marxist, or marxian as true followers sometimes refer to themselves, when I worked in a warehouse in 90 degree heat while the office workers sat in the air conditioning selling the products they never saw before that I loaded onto trucks all day. Then I worked my up and became, guess what? A salesperson who sat in the office knowing more about the products, the item numbers, the weights and shapes of containers, etc.

Don't be frightenened of Marxism or Socialism.

Tell that to eastern europe and Deborah Chesimard also known as Assata Shakur. The europeons may disagree but ASSata will back you up. Maybe the many cuban friends I have know nothing about communism either or why on earth they would swim through hammerhead infested waters to escape it. But I am just some angry rush limberger cheese eating warmonger monkey.

Find out about the Wobblies, and be proud of that part of your history.

Their propaganda is almost as inspiring as the third reich. My history? What the fuck are you talking about? I am a scab and proud of it. Union = mafia. Ever have to park your work truck 3 blocks away so teamsters don't slash your tires? Ever have goons threaten to smash your head in with a sledgehammer because you are working on a job for less than what they held the contractor hostage for to pay their capos? Get real. I used to be a laborer before I got sick of being dirty and physcially tired everyday for less money than the knuckle heads in the suits. (all you have to do is insist you can advance and eventually they let you into the air conditioning!)

Or perhaps you side with the copper bosses?

If they pay well. You got me there.

The "Marxism" that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter terrify you with is the bastardised version created by the Stalinist middle-class bureaucrats in the USSR a long time ago.

Are you psychic or something? You claim to know what I listen to. I gave my reviews of coulter and limbaugh in this post but YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

Coulter is a douchebag and limbaugh is an arrogant blowhard. They speak truth once in a while but hating them invalidates fact for some apparently.

Read Orwell rather than listen to those fuckwits.

Uhhh, I do. Have you ever read orwell? Some animals are more equal than others... you know like affirmative action and how euroamericans cannot be victims of racism because of some weird double standard. Am I getting through on any of this so far?

These elections mean a lot to us in Europe. (And to me personally because I lived and worked for a year in Miami.)

Because you worked in Miami for a year, our elections mean a lot to you? WTF?

We Europeans watched that horrible bombing of the twin towers, and agreed to get the perpretrator bin Laden.

I thought it was the jews? Ask rosie.

As he was a Saudi probably in Afghanistan, we're still wondering why our taxes are going to a war in Iraq.

Congressional resolution 107-243. Also the UN and many countries, including most likely yours, all signed on. So did both houses of congress. It's all public record.

(Rhetorical statement, we know why.)

Ooops, sorry cart before the horse, ignore my last statement then, I think.

So I'm with the Dead behind Obama.

The image is disturbing, but this is a free country and maybe it still is where you are. No on is trying to stop you from being dead or following obama. Please have at it.

As an atheist I can genuinely say God Bless America, because her people need an end to Republican capitalist greed.

As a hypocrit I can say god bless you when someone sneezes, but it's mostly a pagan ritual passed from ancient egypt when they thought your soul escaped from your nose. I have no problem with christians and don't care about prayers in school unless kids are forced to do them on rugs facing mecca or something. I don't get offended at christmas trees and enjoy the season and believe someone named jesus had some interesting points about life and philosphy. I just don't believe in anything myself, go ahead and worship a rubber dildo if you want, just don't wake me up saturday morning telling me I am going to hell unless I buy your flowers at the airport and put a dot on my forehead.

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Poster: obama_bin_ladin Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:48am
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Feel Like A Stranger
or, Why I Almost Wore a Skirt for the Grateful Dead

http://www.hermenaut.com/a22.shtml

In the beginning, before I'd seen sixty Grateful Dead shows in four countries, before my hair had grown halfway down my back and sported beaded and string-wrapped dreadlocks-before the Grizzly Adams beard, the multiple earrings, the Winnie the Pooh T-shirts and the clown pants , all I knew was that the lifestyle of the authentic Head was the only one for me. So in 1988, when I left home for college, still a clean-cut kid sporting short hair and a pair of Nikes, I set out to imitate the look and style exhibited by the charismatic young Heads who lit up the campus-and the parking lots outside the shows I'd been attending more and more frequently-with their flowing Day Glo garb and their seeming lack of any inhibitions or hang-ups. Taking inspiration from David Crosby's "Almost Cut My Hair," I decided to grow a flying freak flag of my own. Things kind of escalated from there, until one day I found myself standing in front of a full-length mirror, earnestly trying on dresses. Skirts really, since I was testing them out as part of an overall look that didn't call for a shirt. Or shoes for that matter. Just the thin, Batik-drenched, vaguely subcontinental skirts worn by approximately half of the women Heads one might meet on tour.
You see, the kind of Heads to whom I initially looked for model behavior—the ones who went on tour four times a year and were always immediately identifiable as hippie types—opt for all the widely-known, politically correct sensitivities as a matter of course. Nonjudgmentalism, or, more accurately, a knee-jerk respect for difference, is a holy precept for Touring Heads. The Gaia-centric worldview, with a firm yet forgiving Earth Mother at its core, has no room for cocksure young bucks prancing about the fairgrounds being, well... cocksure. Which is why Touring Heads, particularly Touring female Heads, hold a special place in their hearts for those men among them who manage to transcend the bourgeois gender roles ingrained during their cookie-cutter suburban upbringings-by wearing skirts. For the chance to get laid more, if for no other reason, it seemed worth a try.
But the implications of choosing such an image for myself made me more than a little uneasy. Wearing a skirt might help you score with the lovely young Heads, but it also marks you as a person who has bought into a certain kind of rebellion-let's call it the Rainbow Rebellion. In '88 I was just beginning to discover what now seems so obvious: Not all countercultures are created equal. For while I'm a big fan of the (quite sufficiently reported, I know) Burning Man festival-which embraces the Gordian knot that is our culture's current relationship with technology by covering dried-up desert lakebeds with sprawling masses of cables, bright neon lights, and a host of other assorted gadgets, all whirring in an electro-charged paean to a hoped-for age of techno-paganism-there's something distinctly off-putting about one of Burning Man's ancestors, the Rainbow Gathering. The first of these post-Woodstock convocations of all that is peaceful and groovy was held in Colorado in 1972; each year since, tens of thousands of stalwart hippies have gathered in some national forest or other to build ecologically sound temporary cities and smoke an awful lot of extremely potent marijuana. Nowhere else, incidentally, will you find as high a percentage of skirt-clad males (with the possible exception, I guess, of Scotland). The Rainbow Gathering is more-much more-than a weekend campout with friends, as the "Rainbow Family" spends as much time cooking up quasi-religious, backward-looking rituals as it does beating drums.
Don't these folks realize that their unilateral and self-righteous deference to everything that is not steeped in the "patriarchal Western tradition" is just a product of the media's coverage of all things countercultural since the mid-'60s? The image of a tie-dyed Head with tousled locks and a fondness for bean curd and reefer has been a caricature of the counterculture for thirty years-so why are so many well-off and seemingly happy young people still hell-bent on transforming themselves into one of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers? Besides, if there is any definitive psychic landscape conjured up by the Dead's oeuvre, it's one populated mainly by grizzled characters who'd seem more at home in a spaghetti western than at a Rainbow Gathering. Lots of Dead songs-"Jack Straw," "Loser," "Brown-Eyed Women" and "Dire Wolf" spring to mind-spin tales of whisky-swilling, shotgun-toting drifters and outlaws, chasing lost loves and lighting out for the territories. Your run-of-the-mill collegiate Deadhead's attitude of remote high-mindedness doesn't really find much expression in or validation from the Dead's kick-back-we-want-to-party-and-screw-going-to-work vibe. The hypersensitized, empathic, mutual-respect-filled utopia these budding communitarians perceive in Dead lyrics like, "Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world" is the product of wishful thinking.
The authenticity-craving, warm-and-fuzzy, middle- or upper-class collegiate Touring Heads universally fear, or at least despise, the band's diehard fans, the ones who get what the Grateful Dead are all about. I'm talking about the studded-leather-jacket-wearing, JD-chugging, Marlboro Red-chaining, Harley-riding, shit-kicking motherfuckers who've been a significant planet in the Dead solar system since its Big Bang. For a group whose core principle is purportedly tolerance, the touchy-feely Rainbow Heads can be shockingly intolerant when it comes to Budweiser-loving, pool-hustling bikers. They don't really want to touch or feel you unless you're just like them.
Take for example Dan, a guy I lived with in a dorm basement during college, who was a lot closer to being a Biker Head than a Rainbow Head. Dan had feathered, prematurely graying hair, was never not wearing jeans, drank grain-alcohol punch prodigiously, and smoked weed all the time. He was also a sports fanatic, capable of memorizing and instantaneously analyzing and combinating all sorts of statistical arcana. Dan had, hands-down, the most ass-kicking collection of Dead bootlegs I've ever seen-well over two hundred tapes, at least half of which I copied for myself. Want to know when and exactly where the Dead bestowed upon their fans the very first "Terrapin Station"? Better ask Dan, because the patchouli-dabbing, sprout-eating would-be freaks upstairs didn't have a fucking clue. Yet somehow they managed to make Dan feel like an outsider, because he wasn't inclined to deck himself out in the gaudy trappings of "true" Headness.
Maybe it was thanks to Dan's no-bullshit influence that I found myself incapable of making the conceptual leap over to that stage of higher evolution where the skirt-wearing Touring Heads no longer seemed like wusses. One day, as I lounged on my girlfriend's bed, waiting for her to get out of the shower, I noticed one of her skirts-frayed and brown, patterned with big white rings shaped like scallop shells-lying on the floor. Naked, except for a cigarette, I approached it, cautiously. The next thing I remember, I'd pulled it on. I'd done it! I was wearing a skirt.
Eyeing myself in the mirror, I wondered if was really right for me. Could I take this final logical step toward transcendingŠ whatever it was I was supposed to be transcending? Would I ever feel comfortable wearing a skirt in front of seventy thousand people in a stadium? But not even the manliest of gestures-flexing my muscles or dangling the cigarette out of the corner of my mouth-could alleviate the pangs of personal inauthenticity I felt. I chastised myself: Such a frat-boy, pick-on-the-sissies kind of attitude would be about as acceptable to the Touring Heads I was hanging around with as the thought of the world's entire supply of tofu turning into a gargantuan heap of ground beef would be. But the spectacle of my hairy torso emerging from an article of clothing I'd much rather pull off a girl's waist than don myself was just too much to take. I took it off.
My attempt to become one of the inner circle of Deadhead authentics ended not long after I tried on the skirt. I joined the hundreds of Heads who flew to Europe to see the band's legendary Continental performances. Because of the logistical details involved with an overseas, multi-country tour-and because of the cost-only the most committed or wealthiest fans made the trip. Among them were a small but extremely noticeable contingent of Rainbow Heads-a well-defined subgroup known as The Family, or The Spinners (after those Sufi dancing masters whose spiraling these Heads emulated during shows). The Family's spiritual schtick also drew on the sex-and-animal-flesh-eschewing ethic of commune-living Hare Krishnas. In fact, the group of American Heads "studying" abroad at the same English university where I was staying got along famously with The Family. They even adopted The Family's practice of holding a morsel of food or drink of water up to their foreheads for a moment immediately prior to consumption, during which moment they'd utter a breathy mantric homage to the all-seeing godhead.
During the London shows at Wembley arena, at the end of October that year, The Family spent each intermission in a beer-splattered, garishly lit concrete stairwell, sitting in a circle with the new recruits from our student body, eating prayed-over orange slices, holding hands, and engaging in a sort of slow and subtle group massage. I would've been open to eating a slice of orange to alleviate my dancing- and smoking-induced cottonmouth, but I was in no position-pupils dilated, scribbling down a set-list on a napkin-to have to pray beforehand. (I was wearing, by the way, a cape made out of an American flag, and had ingested a walnut-sized chunk of hallucinogenic fudge earlier that evening. I had a fierce hankering for some french fries.) For me, set breaks weren't sacred time, they were halftime.
Even after the Dead left town, the praying continued. One day, I was relaxing in my dorm room with an ultra-PC female American Touring Head and two Spinners who'd lagged behind the migrating fans. I was packing some hash into a bong I'd fashioned out of a plastic Evian bottle and part of a Bic pen. Someone made toast and brought it into the room. One of my guests took the bong, and the rest of us grabbed some toast off the plate. Everybody caught each other's gaze. Then, simultaneously, everybody-everybody but me, that is-raised either toast or bong to their foreheads. They looked at me, waiting for me to join in giving thanks for this, umŠ not so bountiful harvest. I sat on the edge of the bed, looking out the window into the chilly, wet English November, feeling pretty damn uncomfortable.
"No way," I said summarily into the stillness that had filled the room. "I'm not praying to the fucking toast."
My room cleared out in an awkward shuffle of half-hearted good-byes. They were going to go over to the other dorm, they told me, to chill out. I closed the door behind them, feeling like my long-standing hope of getting along with all manner, shape, and form of Deadhead had been irrevocably dashed. I slid a cassette into the tape deck and pressed "Play"; out rolled the strains of the only song I could stand to hear at that moment: "Sugar Magnolia." The Dead's ode to that perfect Head girlfriend, the one who "grabs the wheel when I'm seeing double, pays my tickets when I speedŠ and waits backstage while I sing to you." The one with whom you "can discover the wonders of nature down by the riverside." You know, I told myself, trying desperately to picture that very riverside, Sugar Mag never would have wanted me to wear a skirt.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:09pm
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BD

I saw in one of your earlier posts that your wife is Czech. I was born in Budapest, Hungary and now live in Toronto.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 9:22pm
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Love Budapest, but of course I only spent time there post 1990. Toronto, as I'm sure you're well aware, is definitely a center of expat Czech literature with Skorecky and his '68 Publishing as well as Paul Wilson being so central to Plastic People, etc. I've spent some time on Young Street, but it's been awhile. Thanks for answering.

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Poster: secret8476 Date: Oct 9, 2008 6:41am
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Damn - I have nothing good to add, but this post was sooo long, I just had to get in on it.

So ....ummmm.... *Blow Me?

* a registered trademark evidently

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 8, 2008 7:20pm
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NC

I see your banker and raise to a lawyer. I am a commercial litigator with a good "dose" of mortgage remedies work for both on the lender and borrower side.

First, NC open your mind, there are many western European and Scandinavian countries where their style of socialism works well. You are, fortunately, not alone on this planet.

I apologize for not being clear, but my reference to the lack of regulation was intended for the securitization process and not banks lending practices. Sure, the underlying cause of the real estate crash is lending related but the failure of the banking system is a vastly different problem. It has to do with the lack of regulation of these debt related instruments and the banks lack of ability to manage the risks associated with them. What is actually happening here is way beyond a downturn in the real estate market causing mortgage defaults. There is an entire house of cards that was allowed to be built on the mortgage market by debt paper that is now worthless. That is why British, Belgian and Icelandic banks are going under and that is why the feds are not buying the mortgages as the old man suggested yesterday but buying the paper.

As to taxation: I believe that a civil society costs money, period. The question is: who should pay for this costs. From your post I understand that you argue that those who use a service should pay for the service and you being a non-user should not be paying for a service you do not use. This, of course, eliminates, to some extent, the need for government and creates great inequities between haves and have nots. That is not my definition of a just and fair society. I subscribe to the "mini-max" idea of a just and fair society. The idea is that the utility of those who have the least in a society should maximized through redistribution of wealth. This is a utilitarian theory, J.S. Mills et.al. which states that the one unit of utility the rich gives up by a dollar of taxation increases the utility of the poor by significantly more than that one unit foregone.

Finally, I lived under communist rule for 15 years in a Warsaw Pact Central European country thus I have both theoretical and practical experiences with the Communists, but that is for later discussion altogether.

As to the good Earl, I accept when Republicans defend their dogma by restating their arguments against redistribution of wealth but when you attempt to paint the Republicans as redistributers of wealth by pointing to a provision in the code, you think people are stupid? What is your point? By not revoking this or any other provision of the code or any other legislation that creates a social program makes your boy W. a redistributer. It is a disingenuous argument as we all know your position on the subject, see NC.

Good discussion, now back to the music.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2008 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: These guys suck

I have to ask - which country?